Kratos
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along with compitors who have got on my wrong side before.
Pretty greasy and probably not something I would be admitting.
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along with compitors who have got on my wrong side before.
To Kratos
Following on from above, if you see the same people present boats at the next regatta, you're naturally going to be even more careful and thorough with your measuement check. People on this forum have even admitted to doing blatently illegal things, you wouldn't make sure that they weren't doing at a regatta you were measuring at.
If you want everybody to measured equally, then give me 3-4 hour per boat and I will completely and carefully check each boat 100%. Until that happens, I will measure boats in a reasonable manner to catch most faults and specifically target competitors on certain aspects where they give me cause to concern from there past actions.
Alan, am I correct in assuming being a measurer is a volunteer position?
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Exactly. This man is volunteering his time, experience, and expertise to make our game fun and fair.
Give him a break.
This is the same reason I don't agree to referee my son's soccer games. Angry parents shouting accusations.
Now Im reallly Happy to have bought an Intensity sail, and no I wont race with it, nor will I pay class dues to line the pockets of these scammers.
... nor will I pay class dues to line the pockets of these scammers.
I think you should acquire an understanding of how the association/class works (not just the builders association) before you start name calling...
On topic??
I hope the builders can fiugure out a way to provide decent enough equipment to end this argument.
*Yawn.*
Krackos, Ignorant is uninformed, and maybe thats me.
Dumb is when someone is trying to speak up for you and the paying members, and all you do is slam them. How about some intelligent debate, or an explanation? I would like to join this class and race these boats, I just need convincing that my money is going to be properly used. Maybe there are others that are in my boat, and when people like you just say "let them stay ignorant, its easier", well that really doesn't promote your class in a positive way. Your avatar picture dsiplays you pretty well apparently.
Krackos, Ignorant is uninformed, and maybe thats me.
Dumb is when someone is trying to speak up for you and the paying members, and all you do is slam them. How about some intelligent debate, or an explanation? I would like to join this class and race these boats, I just need convincing that my money is going to be properly used. Maybe there are others that are in my boat, and when people like you just say "let them stay ignorant, its easier", well that really doesn't promote your class in a positive way. Your avatar picture dsiplays you pretty well apparently.
But how do you know Tracy isn't just a scammer, with his pockets being lined?
Those pesky scammers.
*Shakes fist*
That is incredibly insulting, and you'd better explain yourself.
Now Im reallly Happy to have bought an Intensity sail, and no I wont race with it, nor will I pay class dues to line the pockets of these scammers.
I think you should acquire an understanding of how the association/class works (not just the builders association) before you start name calling...
Nah. It's easier to say stuff like that when you remain ignorant.
But how do you know Tracy isn't just a scammer, with his pockets being lined?
Those pesky scammers.
*Shakes fist*
2 questions Are the manufacturer sails inferior in cloth, design, or price?
Does the class want/need a change?
If the answer is yes to either, then why not change?
Was that an apology or sarcasm?
The strength of the class comes from it being a strict one design class with tight controls on the manufacturers.
/ramble
If you want the class to grow you have to control the cost.
I agree and I think this is where the class is failing at the moment. I was shocked to see such a low turn-out for the UK Nationals (standard rig) this year compared to other classes. Maybe the builders/class is resting on its success, feeling it has a God gven right to large numbers of people paying OTT for parts, or maybe they are just extracting as much as they can out of the class whilst allowing it to decline as they have alternatives. Whatever the reason they do not seem to be helping us, those who spend our time in these little boats.
(and when I say "they" I probably mean more than one group of people making money from those who sail Lasers).
Ian
I agree and I think this is where the class is failing at the moment. I was shocked to see such a low turn-out for the UK Nationals (standard rig) this year compared to other classes. Maybe the builders/class is resting on its success, feeling it has a God gven right to large numbers of people paying OTT for parts, or maybe they are just extracting as much as they can out of the class whilst allowing it to decline as they have alternatives. Whatever the reason they do not seem to be helping us, those who spend our time in these little boats.
(and when I say "they" I probably mean more than one group of people making money from those who sail Lasers).
Ian
This is interesting. If you speak to people who are high up in the class (UKLA and ILCA) they say they are tied by the builder. If you speak to the builder they say they are tied by the class. Now someone here is not telling the truth, perhaps they should all sit round a table and thrash it out once and for all. I appreciate this is difficult given how widespread people are with the Laser but the dividends for the vast majority of the class could be profound.
IMO the class is leaving itself open to the likes of a newcomer who uses the Laser philospohy but gets the pricing right.
Just my 2p as always.